The Nombase Podcast

Getting onto retail shelves can feel like a big accomplishment—but what happens when strong velocity, national distribution, and real sales still don't add up to a profitable business?Lauren Chew of Love + Chew Superfood Cookies shares the story behind her decision to exit 2,500 retail doors through UNFI and KeHE—even with velocities buyers were happy with. Abby June Richards of The CPG CFO breaks down where the P&L falls apart for emerging brands and what founders need to understand about cash conversion cycles, trade spend, and channel-level profitability before signing a retailer contract. And Liana Krasnow of Noodo, a premium bone broth pasta sauce just 21 doors in, asks the questions every early-stage brand should be asking right now. You Will Learn:Why a brand can have great velocity and still be losing money on every caseThe hidden cash conversion cycle that can turn a modest monthly loss into a $3M cash problemHow to evaluate whether a specific retailer is actually a fit—before you sign anythingWhat trade spend really is, why it's not an operating expense, and how misreporting it can hurt you in due diligenceThe factors Lauren would weigh differently with her next brand, including shelf facings, direct shipping, and which retailers to avoid entirelyWhy regional, direct, and foodservice channels may deliver more profit than national distribution—and how to know when you're ready to scale

Getting ready for BevNet Live June 10–11 in New York City? Or on the fence? BevNet's Editor-in-Chief, Jeff Klineman, walks through a practical "how to do BevNet Live" guide — covering the agenda, key speakers, and how to make the most of every hour at the show.We cover:Tips on how to get the most out of networking, speaker presentations, 1:1 meetings with retailers and investors, and everything else at the showWhat you need to do at BevNET Live and what you can catch up on when you're back homeAgenda highlights from Athletic Brewing, Culture Pop, and Dirty Shirley on building without outpacing your businessRetail sessions with Walmart, Whole Foods, and Vitamin Shoppe on getting — and staying — on shelfFive investor-focused sessions including a term sheet tutorial and a former PepsiCo M&A leadThe delta-9 hemp category under the microscope as Congressional pressure threatens its futureEarly intel on AI and agentic commerce — what CPG brands need to do now before big players lock it inThere's still time to register at Bevnetlive.com - see you there!!

Rachel Krupa, founder of The Goods Mart, shares what emerging CPG brands can learn from small format retail, curated placements, and real shopper behavior. She also breaks down the reopening of The Goods Mart in Brooklyn, a new South Williamsburg location with double the space, expanded grab and go, frozen, pantry, beauty, home, vintage snack finds, and a front row view into what consumers actually buy.You will learn:How small format retail can help brands test packaging, price, and positioningWhy taste and founder hustle matter more than launch hypeHow placement at small format retail stores can lead to press, investors, and new accountsHow to think about hotels, offices, coffee shops, and other nontraditional channelsWhy operational readiness matters before expanding into new outletsHow to use customer feedback to understand what drives repeat purchase

Chris Robb, founder of Supernatural Ventures and early investor in brands like Bachan’s, shares how he evaluates founders before revenue, what separates breakout brands from the rest, and what most CPG companies waste money too early.What founders will learn:• Why unit velocity matters more than total revenue in early retail growth• How to price your first fundraising round without hurting future raises• What kind of packaging is the one area early brands should overspend on• How to use retailers and store buyers as real world product validation before scaling• What Chris looks for in founders before investing pre-revenue capitalChris also breaks down how Supernatural Ventures approaches pre-seed investing, why he avoids heavy marketing spend early on, and how brands can build momentum organically before raising larger rounds.

Landing a major retail account can change a brand overnight, but only if the operational foundation is ready to support it. Join Paul Verdu and Mitch Wedemeier from Octopi, a co-manufacturing partner backed by Asahi Group, to break down what really happens when brands scale into large national and club retailers. You'll learn:• Why landing a retailer like Costco or Target often creates a 90 to 180 day production sprint and what must happen within that window• The critical documentation required including specs, certifications, and material data to enable a smooth transition between co manufacturers• How differences in co-manufacturer equipment and capabilities impact product quality, timelines, and scalability• Common surprises around packaging, lead times, and retailer requirements and how to plan for them early• How to balance forecasting, inventory risk, and production flexibility to avoid stockouts amid unpredictable reorder cycles

Building a great product is not enough, especially in a category that actively works against you.In this episode, Ayeshah Abuelhiga of Mason Dixie joins Hey!Hunger's Shireen Khera to talk about what it actually takes to win in one of the toughest environments in grocery. From getting customers to physically find your product to navigating low awareness, inconsistent merchandising, and long repurchase cycles, you'll see behind the scenes into the real work behind building a brand that sells: What it actually takes to get customers to find, try, and buy your product in a challenging categoryWhy getting on shelf is only the beginning and how to actively drive demand through demos, local marketing, and constant presenceWhy early brands should prioritize velocity and depth over expanding into more doors and how to know when you are truly ready to growHow to think about distribution, brokers, and expansion so you don't outgrow your ability to support the businessHow to understand your customer in a way that drives decisions on ingredients, pricing, and marginsHow to win the long game of building a brand in a category with high costs and slow repurchase cyclesWhether you are in frozen or any competitive category, you'll learn what it really takes to turn early traction into real, lasting growth.

Ultra-processed foods are facing growing pressure from policymakers, retailers, and consumers who are rethinking what belongs on shelf and in their carts. In this episode, Bill Creelman, Founder of Spindrift, and Megan Westgate, Founder of the Non-UPF Verified program and the Non GMO Project, discuss a new certification designed to evaluate both ingredient integrity and how products are actually made.  Spindrift recently became the first beverage brand verified under the Non-UPF standard. Bill shares what the verification process required behind the scenes, how sourcing and manufacturing decisions affect certification, and why it offers a clearer way to communicate long standing formulation choices. Megan explains how the standard works, including limits on added refined sugar, a ban on non-nutritive sweeteners, restrictions on refined oils and gums, and why most shoppers say they want to avoid ultra processed foods but don't know how to identify them.

Health is no longer just a marketing claim. It is becoming part of how retailers evaluate products, guide shoppers, and shape category growth. Kroger’s rollout of a new health scoring system powered by FoodHealth reflects this shift. In this episode, Laura Brown, Director of Nutrition at Kroger, and Sam Citro Alexander, founder of FoodHealth, break down how the system works, why Kroger adopted it, and what it means for brands building at retail. Founders and operators will learn how the FoodHealth Score is calculated, how nutrient density and ingredient quality factor into evaluations, how health scores appear across Kroger’s digital and in store experiences, and how Kroger buyers use health data at the category level to influence shopper discovery, buyer and merchandising decisions, and long term growth.

Private label has become one of the most prominent forces shaping CPG retail today. As retailers face margin pressure, shifting consumer behavior, and increased competition, store brands are no longer an add on. They are a core strategic priority. We are rerunning this episode with Kim Greenfeld - formerly of Trader Joe's and Whole Foods Market, now founder of Campo Verde Solutions.  Kim will explain private label business from the retailer’s side to help brands understand how and why these decisions are made. You'll hear about how private label plays in assortment strategy, margin management, data ownership, and customer loyalty, and what that means for national and emerging CPG brands competing for shelf space.

Distributor deductions can be overwhelming, but understanding them is essential to running a healthy CPG business. Jenna Gelgand, founder of Jave Insights, and Greg Esslinger of Floret. Together they explain the mechanics behind deductions, the patterns that lead to costly mistakes, and the dispute paths that actually work. You’ll learn how distributors calculate and apply deductions, why certain fees are unavoidable while others are preventable, and how to manage relationships with supplier managers, buyers, and retailers when issues arise. 

Faire is a wholesale platform that connects brands with sellers, and it's becoming one of the most effective ways for CPG founders to grow, scale, and build lasting relationships with small and independent retailers. Joining the conversation are Kyle Hughes, who leads retailer partnerships at Faire, and Caroline Grace, founder of Product and Prosper & The Prosper Lab, who helps brands refine their strategies and boost sales on the platform. Together, they reveal how top-performing brands are turning Faire into a powerful growth engine: optimizing listings, building retailer loyalty, and driving consistent revenue. 

Is Wegmans on your radar? For many emerging CPG brands, cracking Wegmans is a dream, but timing, trends, and execution often decide who makes it. In this episode, Isabel Washington of Laurel’s Coffee and Alexander Harik of Zesty Z share the real stories behind getting on Wegmans’ shelves, from navigating distributors to building velocity without demos or promos. They’re joined by Josh Cannon of Cultivate CPG, who brings years of experience guiding brands through the Wegmans process. Find out what buyers really want, how to pitch with confidence, and the strategies that turn “maybe” into yes.

Want to know how to turn a Costco roadshow into a lasting spot on shelf? In this episode, Gavin McCloskey of Love Corn, Leila Kairns of Healtea, and Carlene Carl of Rebel Solutions Group share insider tips to fast-track your Costco success and help you avoid costly mistakes. They explain how to manage setup, staffing, and inventory; work with store managers and Costco’s Club Demo Solutions team; and refine pitches to boost sales. Learn how to test flavors, packaging, and pricing while building relationships that influence buyers. 

The convenience store channel is just about the most competitive and expensive you'll find in CPG, but the promise of sky high velocities and an immediate way to reach new customers is undeniably attractive. Andy Steele of Ollipop and BODYARMOR, and Vanessa Walker of NEW YOU BRANDS and La Croix lay out the cost of doing business, when the right time to launch is, secrets for getting your products on shelf, and why the changing landscape is good news for BFY food and beverage brand alike.

Headed to BevNET Live? Or still deciding?? In this episode, Jeff Klineman shares a bts look at how the show comes together and what to watch for if you're focused on building a profitable brand. From key sessions to the people you need to meet, Jeff offers tips to help you navigate with purpose.Whether you're looking to connect with investors, retailers, or future partners, we’ve got advice to help you make it count. Plus, Sarah Casagrande, Principal at Generation CPG, shares what she's most excited about this year.

Natalie Wieder, Vice President of Category Management at Thrive Market, shares recent updates to this leading grocery e-commerce retailer’s vendor experience, including the launch of a new vendor portal, a brand insights dashboard, and a retail media platform. The conversation covers shifts in product selection strategy, key attributes Thrive prioritizes when evaluating new items, and how the platform is evolving to better support merchandising and marketing. Also discussed are the attributes of Thrive’s core consumer, promotional planning, and how internal teams assess performance and brand potential.

Jana Goodbaugh of Happy Wolf and Jason Smith, the “Demo Dynamo” from Ithaca Hummus and former Perfect Bar retail lead, share how to turn demos from a cost center into a growth engine. From pinpointing the best sampling days to building a passionate demo team, they reveal insider strategies for driving product discovery, converting samplers into loyal customers, and proving value to retailers through measurable sales impact.

Get a behind-the-scenes look at Expo West 2025 with two key decision-makers: Casey Gaston (Whole Foods Market) and Molly Santuli (Springdale Ventures). They break down standout trends, name breakthrough brands, and reveal what made certain products impossible to ignore. Learn how to network with decision makers like these, secure key meetings, and craft the perfect follow-up for real retail and investment opportunities.

Supplement trends, such as the popularity of collagen, protein, and nootropics, often forecast shifts in food and beverage CPG trends by tracking consumer behavior. We welcome Darren Viscount, Senior Natural Living Category Manager/OTC Category Manager at Bristol Farms, to discuss these natural living trends and their impact on food and beverage products. We’ll also learn what brands need to get on the shelf, succeed at Bristol Farms, and build lasting partnerships.

Target may be a major retail powerhouse, but there's a unique pathway for emerging brands to get their product on shelf and be successful. Target's Director of Activation & Growth, Le'Spencer Walker, outlines the three retail-ready factors he considers for emerging brands: packaging and branding, business performance data (even for small brands), and marketing and promotion capabilities. Mazaah CEO, Yasmin Sajadi, shares her brand's 2-year journey to secure placement at Target, along with insights on marketing strategies, pricing, and the challenges of scaling production.

Casey Gaston, Executive Leader of Local and Emerging Brands at Whole Foods Market, offers key updates and strategies for emerging brands who want to partner with this key retailer. In this session, she discusses how to navigate the current category review process and provides details on the LEAP accelerator program. Casey also shares her top tips for crafting a compelling pitch, along with smart strategies for brand success—from effectively communicating your story to understanding the nuances of pricing and promotion. Whether you're looking to get your product into Whole Foods Market or you're already there, you'll find valuable insights to support you at any stage of your Whole Foods journey.

Walmart's Open Call program is a unique opportunity for emerging brands to enter one of the world’s largest retailers. Our guests—Scott Gutche, Sr. Development Executive at Walmart, Molly Blakeley of Molly Bz Cookies, and Yasmin Curtis of Two Fish Foods—share their experiences with the program, from the application process to preparing to pitch. They discuss the importance of flexibility, demonstrating brand fit, and why the exposure gained is valuable, even without an immediate deal. Scott Gutche also explains Walmart’s key evaluation criteria, emphasizing the importance of market data and brand momentum in determining a brand’s potential for success.

Slotting fees, free fills, retail markups, distribution costs, trade spend & marketing—making money in retail is expensive and complex. But just how long does it take? Jia Liao, founder of Hotpot Queen, wants to find out. Join us as experts Dwight Richmond, Director of Center Store at Town & Country, and Sarah Dorey, partner at Synergy Sales, share their insights on the timeline and offer tips to accelerate the process.

To succeed in retail, building direct relationships at the store level can grow your food or beverage business, creating valuable "eyes inside." Cedar's Hummus has its roots in DSD and store relationship building. Aimee Tsakirellis, EVP of Marketing at Cedar's, will share tips on forging strong relationships with store teams, expanding into new regions, and collaborating with retailers to boost sales.